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pona-a 19 hours ago [-]
Idk, I think the new name sounds too corporate, like some shitty startup or wellness brand. PostmarketOS was a bit of a mouthful but it gave you some idea of what the project was. Well, if they think it's a way to reach more people, then more power to them.
The jokes almost write themselves about the knock-on effects of dedicating significant time to debugging your phone running this OS, with the new name.
cromka 15 hours ago [-]
I think they want to be a mobile OS, plain and simple. But the new name... Not good.
solarkraft 14 hours ago [-]
That’s what I like about it. It signals a kind of ambition open source projects usually lack.
sermah 16 hours ago [-]
Have you seen the new show? It's on Tubu. It's literally on Heebee. It's on Poodee with ads. It's literally on Dippy. You can probably find it on Weeno. Dude it's on Gumpy. It's a Pheebo original. It's on Poob. You can watch it on Poob. You can go to Poob and watch it. Log onto Poob right now. Go to Poob. Dive into Poob. You can Poob it. It's on Poob. Poob has it for you. Poob has it for you.
lucb1e 15 hours ago [-]
I'm sorry, what? How exactly does this relate to PostmarketOS?
pyreko 14 hours ago [-]
That the new name sounds like (at least to some people) a meaningless blob of letters, similar to what a bunch of tech companies name their products or themselves, I suppose.
sermah 7 hours ago [-]
Exactly
fatata123 11 hours ago [-]
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hagbard_c 15 hours ago [-]
Pfah, Poob. Zombo.com is the place to be. Welcome to Zombo.com. This is Zombo.com. Welcome. This is Zombo.com. Welcome to Zombo.com. You can do anything at Zombo.com. Anything at all. The only limit is yourself.
Searching for "Nura" returns dozens of existing results. They couldn't even get nura.org! Is there really not a more distinct name they could've picked? Even Nura OS would make them easier to find in the long term.
Non-exhaustive list of things already named "nura":
- NURA: Premium Ingredients for Food & Wellness
- Nura - Award-winning personalised sound
- NURA: India's First Ai Powered Health Screening Center
- Nura Clinics | Pain Management Specialists In Minnesota
- Nura (German rapper)
- NURA - Shop Now for Health Essentials
- Nura | Hummus, Falafel & Shawarma
- Nura: Rise of the Yokai Clan
- Nura, a defunct consumer electronics company based in Melbourne
- Nura Space: Workplace Management Platform
Competing for this name seems like an uphill battle.
landgenoot 11 hours ago [-]
So, like Lineage.
I still rock my CyanogenMod
yjftsjthsd-h 11 hours ago [-]
LineageOS is more distinctive
DANmode 11 hours ago [-]
As a daily-driver?
NoboruWataya 20 hours ago [-]
I did think postmarketOS was a bit of an awkward name but it was also widely recognised, at least in Linux nerd circles. I guess this will cause a bit of confusion in the short term but hopefully lead to broader recognition in the longer term. Though the obstacles to Nura's growth are probably not primarily branding-related.
lucb1e 20 hours ago [-]
Yeah, I was trying to think of a mnemonic to remember this new name but I'm coming up short. The old one was indeed... somehow 'post-market' isn't the best vibe so I do get the point of a rebrand in general
card_zero 18 hours ago [-]
So the name comes from nuraghe, a kind of ancient stone tower in Sardinia, intending to convey stability and strength. But nura is already a Sardinian word, it seems, for "daughter-in-law". Daughters-in-law can be strong and stable too, of course, so it doesn't matter much.
yjftsjthsd-h 18 hours ago [-]
I'm torn; the old name was awkward, but renaming is a painful breaking change. Oh well, it's done now.
jayfx 20 hours ago [-]
I kind of still prefers postmarketOS
cwnyth 16 hours ago [-]
I absolutely do, too. Even dropping the "OS" will still net a cool name.
erelong 20 hours ago [-]
I thought the old name was fine, it was usually just PMOS abbreviated... Nura seems totally unnecessary but we'll roll with it or some fork if someone creates an alternative
hefner1456 15 hours ago [-]
If you don't like the name just be happy the new logo isn't a butthole like so many.
yonatan8070 17 hours ago [-]
Nura it also means "light bulb" in Hebrew (נורה).
Either way, I don't mind that much, I do think "Nura" is more catchy than "postmarketOS", it also rolls off the tongue much better IMO
neilv 17 hours ago [-]
As someone who used PostmarketOS previously, and would be interested in returning...
1. Congrats to them on a name change.
2. Bummer about not getting the .org domain name, but if the current registrant hasn't been using the name, there is some ICANN trademark pressure that can help the registrant be reasonable with the price.
3. Is the effort into branding a sign that there's also imminent big news on viability for daily drivers?
NoidFonsense 21 hours ago [-]
This sucks. I like postmarketOS and I liked the old name. I even have the pmOS pinephone and the old t-shirt
maelito 21 hours ago [-]
I'd be so happy to install this on my phone. I miss the time when I was using Samsung Dex. Incredible to not hold my computer around anymore. But Samsung... not open-source, buggy.
bornfreddy 20 hours ago [-]
Why don't you? No time like now.
jchw 20 hours ago [-]
Very few phones have good enough upstream Linux support to run Nura as a daily driver. It's an active area of research but getting something where you have a working camera, phone calls and reliable sleep/resume has become somewhat of a white whale.
I haven't checked in a while, but I've dabbled in Linux phones for years now so I'd be surprised if it changed that much since last I looked.
Saris 11 hours ago [-]
Nura means nothing to me, PostmarketOS described what it is (OS), with a hint of what kind of OS it might be.
Retr0id 14 hours ago [-]
Hm. The name collides with Nura, an audio company with a product called Nuraphone. I suppose any pronounceable 4-letter word has collisions.
jl6 17 hours ago [-]
Was the original name some kind of nod to PostgreSQL?
ZenoArrow 15 hours ago [-]
No, the "postmarketOS" name came about to indicate that it's an OS to keep older devices working for longer (i.e. providing active support after the support from the manufacturer has ended).
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whatshisface 18 hours ago [-]
Now they'll embark on their most difficult challenge yet, persuading me to remember that they changed the name.
VCFundedGenYer 15 hours ago [-]
The new name doesn't mean anything to anyone. It just sounds like yet another startup with a weird slop name.
The original name was descriptive and helpfully labelled.
I feel this was a bad decision.
stackghost 18 hours ago [-]
Open source continues its streak of picking atrocious names. Just off the top of my head, in recent memory we have Raku, Kodi, Luanti, Valkey, and now Nura.
Naming things is famously hard, but sometimes it feels like the Good Idea Fairy visits these projects and they aren't product-savvy enough to realize that humans are social, fickle creatures. You need to pick a name that your users won't be embarassed to say in a board room. There is a fairly sizable body of research-backed evidence that picking a cringe name reduces initial trust/comprehension.
Lukewarm take: "I'm a Raku developer" makes one sound like someone with poor hygiene who watches far too much anime.
Edit: also “floorp” the Firefox fork and “xonaly” the search engine. Who could forget those gems.
tmtvl 13 hours ago [-]
Java. Fortran. C#, which in pronounced 'see sharp' despite being written with a number sign rather than a sharp. Algol.
pklausler 9 hours ago [-]
C# is the sharp note above C, enharmonic with D flat in a tempered tuning.
stackghost 12 hours ago [-]
Fortran gets a pass for being ancient and having a descriptive name (FORmula TRANslation)
ocdtrekkie 18 hours ago [-]
Significant improvement on the old name, it no longer sounds inherently obsolete when you say it.
ofigneignejfr 18 hours ago [-]
Wow now that is an even worse name than “postmarketOS”. Congratulations.
poppafuze 21 hours ago [-]
logo still sucks
rsolva 21 hours ago [-]
Nah, it is just right, nerdy, simple and not a blob of colors. It fits the project!
Evidlo 20 hours ago [-]
Seems totally fine to me
denysvitali 20 hours ago [-]
FYI: they don't accept AI contributions.
From experience, AI is a 10x (or more) booster for getting a new device up and running - or porting mainline Linux to those super old (3.x) kernel forks.
I'll not contribute back anymore - this is a real bummer, but I guess they made their choice.
Someone should do a fork that accepts ai assisted contributions, with a spin in the old name: postpostmarketos...
yjftsjthsd-h 17 hours ago [-]
A pro-AI fork would be nice for both "sides"; we could experimentally see whether it helps or hurts. In a few months-years, we should be able to see whether it's faster/buggier/better/worse.
rossy 10 hours ago [-]
The policy you linked explains its reasoning pretty clearly. So you feel better about their decision, please re-read it with an open mind and a "why would a very ideologically-motivated copyleft free software project think this" attitude.
snvzz 9 hours ago [-]
They'll come around, eventually.
Or get forked to irrelevance.
rossy 5 hours ago [-]
Can you give an example of a point in their rationale that they'll "come around" on, and why? I mentioned it because it looks solid to me.
I don't think they'll be forked to irrelevance. Even if I put aside my skepticism of the quality or longevity of AI-assisted projects, I don't think there's a bigger audience for a Nura that's less principled on the issues they mentioned.
hnews11 19 hours ago [-]
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VCFundedGenYer 15 hours ago [-]
Good for them. AI (especially the way you're describing it) is nothing but cancer.
0c3ca83 19 hours ago [-]
I've seen a few people react this way, promising to never contribute when AI is banned; invariably, it turns out they hadn't been contributing upstream anyways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Xxy0tU65Y
Non-exhaustive list of things already named "nura":
- NURA: Premium Ingredients for Food & Wellness
- Nura - Award-winning personalised sound
- NURA: India's First Ai Powered Health Screening Center
- Nura Clinics | Pain Management Specialists In Minnesota
- Nura (German rapper)
- NURA - Shop Now for Health Essentials
- Nura | Hummus, Falafel & Shawarma
- Nura: Rise of the Yokai Clan
- Nura, a defunct consumer electronics company based in Melbourne
- Nura Space: Workplace Management Platform
Competing for this name seems like an uphill battle.
Either way, I don't mind that much, I do think "Nura" is more catchy than "postmarketOS", it also rolls off the tongue much better IMO
1. Congrats to them on a name change.
2. Bummer about not getting the .org domain name, but if the current registrant hasn't been using the name, there is some ICANN trademark pressure that can help the registrant be reasonable with the price.
3. Is the effort into branding a sign that there's also imminent big news on viability for daily drivers?
I haven't checked in a while, but I've dabbled in Linux phones for years now so I'd be surprised if it changed that much since last I looked.
The original name was descriptive and helpfully labelled.
I feel this was a bad decision.
Naming things is famously hard, but sometimes it feels like the Good Idea Fairy visits these projects and they aren't product-savvy enough to realize that humans are social, fickle creatures. You need to pick a name that your users won't be embarassed to say in a board room. There is a fairly sizable body of research-backed evidence that picking a cringe name reduces initial trust/comprehension.
Lukewarm take: "I'm a Raku developer" makes one sound like someone with poor hygiene who watches far too much anime.
Edit: also “floorp” the Firefox fork and “xonaly” the search engine. Who could forget those gems.
From experience, AI is a 10x (or more) booster for getting a new device up and running - or porting mainline Linux to those super old (3.x) kernel forks.
I'll not contribute back anymore - this is a real bummer, but I guess they made their choice.
Context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49704503#49745309
https://docs.nura.eco/policies-and-processes/development/ai-...
Or get forked to irrelevance.
I don't think they'll be forked to irrelevance. Even if I put aside my skepticism of the quality or longevity of AI-assisted projects, I don't think there's a bigger audience for a Nura that's less principled on the issues they mentioned.
https://gitlab.com/sm8250-mainline/linux/-/merge_requests/8
https://wiki.nura.eco/wiki/Special:Contributions/Denvit
https://blog.denv.it/posts/pmos-k3s-cluster/
The contributions won’t be missed.